Hi Elizabeth-
I read the vegan page as well and was …ummm….puzzled. Don’t buy these products, but buy instead these products - ummmm….it’s still marketing, capitalism, etc. like it or not. Niche marketing? I am a beekeeper of honeybees but I also am a doctoral student working in agro ecological restoration to help increase the populations of wild bees. They do contribute waaaay more than managed bees, in fact bumblebees alone are the main pollinators of pumpkin, tomatoes, potatoes and squash. These native bees coevolved with our native food crops for which the honeybee doesn’t recognize (they’ve only been here since 1600’s) and isn’t adapted for. So, while the “exploitation” of honeybees is an issue for industrial farming, the wild bees are the ones, with the help of managed bees, who are aiding the popularity of small to mid-size farms and orchards. Agro ecology is a growing field of ecology and agronomy, and the PA farmers I work with who run CSA’s and dairy operations (even urban farmers in Baltimore) will attest to the robustness of wild bee populations on wild-managed farms. I don’t know if you’ll get this comment, since its been a while since this posting, but thanks for posting on this. What an interesting discussion.
Peggy - The Wild Bee Chronicles
Posted 6 days, 3 hours ago at 8:28 am. 4 comments
Hi Jeannie
Good Morning
I woke up a few minutes ago (7:30 or so) - it’s a Post Card morning. A very low tide so the water is down maybe 4 ft.
That’s nothing compared to normal tide in Halifax And as for Digby, N.S. from memory I’d think it’s 10 ft.
"Hi Bill. Hi Richard. Hi Duke.."
Duke and Bill are at least a hundred ft away but it is so quiet sound carries over the still water as if they’re just a few ft away. The cats are ready for breakfast. It’s provided. 8:01AM
I turn on CBC Ottawa
The thought of the day is torture. Then it’s rude lawyers.
I hope you won’t think I have over-reacted to your last email. And don’t worry if I did - I still love you - now give ray a hug.
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Date: 11/19/09 15:42:10
To: larratt@mac.com
Subject: prince charles
Hello Richard,
Have just finished reading the speech. I like much of what he has to say but will discuss more tomorrow. I think I was being too polite re "stacy".
When I hear young people talking the way he is, I think what is he contributing other than whining and whinging about HIS state of affairs.
Our generation did not grow up considering ourselves to be more important than our community. This is the big difference between generations. A percentage of these young people are rootless and spoiled. Everything revolves about them. It is my this and my that. Poor little me. The drinking, the doing drugs…Wow! What a great unproductive way to have a good time and how beneficial! Is it smart or stupid?
More tomorrow. J.
Yeah - I had some of those thoughts after I listened to his speech. Given my computers I have the Prince as full screen video a BBC Hour of Video.
I first listened to it on CBC from 9-10 PM (CBC intro and mid pt. summary). Then the piece I sent you – i included his speech on islam as there was a beautiful islam lady in the audience at St. James Castle that the camera feasted upon. It’s a keeper. The video. A part of the boat’s library on demand. Maybe you can watch it down here some day some evening.
8:30AM Friday, 20 Nov. - "The Current" - there is going to be more about torture. AS Marshall used to say - "You can always turn it OFF." so I just did.
IT is just you, me and the cats - well CAT - Dixie is off the boat who knows where. Mason (the TOM) has taken the spot Dixie had for the evening. I am typing with one hand - my right -
Every time I move it - my naked upper arm makes a push contact with Mason – it/he feels good so – he’s happy to just be there –this moment –
Warm and dry. We’re all on our own time.
But back to you - when you say "This is the big difference between generations" I have NO IDEA. No map of the territory.
Please read below and take longer than the instant it took me to cut and paste below off the web into the email.
4 familial generations
It is important to distinguish between familial and cultural generations. A familial generation is defined as the average time between a mother’s first offspring and her daughter’s first offspring. The generation length is 25.2 years in the United States as of 2007[2] and 27.4 years in the United Kingdom as of 2004[3].
THE BOOMERS ARE STILL THE PIG IN THE PYTHON.
Cultural generations are cohorts of people who were born in a certain date range and share a general cultural experience of the world.
The idea of a cultural generation, in the sense that it is used today gained currency in the late 19th century. Prior to that the concept "generation" had generally referred to family relationships, not broader social groupings. In 1863, French lexicographer Emile Littré had defined a generation as, "all men living more or less at the same time."[4]
However, as the 19th century wore on, several trends promoted a new idea of generations, of a society divided into different categories of people based on age. These trends were all related to the process of modernisation, industrialisation, or westernisation, which had been changing the face of Europe since the mid-eighteenth century. One was a change in mentality about time and social change. The increasing prevalence of enlightenment ideas encouraged the idea that society and life were changeable, and that civilisation could progress. This encouraged the equation of youth with social renewal and change. Political rhetoric in the 19th century often focused on the renewing power of youth influenced by movements such as Young Italy, Young Germany, Sturm und Drang, the German Youth Movement, and other romantic movements. By the end of the 19th century European intellectuals were disposed toward thinking of the world in generational terms, and in terms of youth rebellion and emancipation.[4]
Two important contributing factors to the change in mentality were the change in the economic structure of society. Because of the rapid social and economic change, young men particularly, were less beholden to their fathers and family authority than they had been. Greater social and economic mobility allowed them to flout their authority to a much greater extent than had traditionally been possible. Additionally, the skills and wisdom of fathers were often less valuable than they had been due to technological and social change.[4] During this time, the period of time between childhood and adulthood, usually spent at university or in military service, was also increased for many people entering white collar jobs. This category of people was very influential in spreading the ideas of youthful renewal.[4]
Another important factor was the break-down of traditional social and regional identifications. The spread of nationalism and many of the factors that created it (a national press, linguistic homogenisation, public education, suppression of local particularities) encouraged a broader sense of belonging, beyond local affiliations. People thought of themselves increasingly as part of a society, and this encouraged identification with groups beyond the local.[4]
Since then, generations have been defined in many different ways, by different people. Generational claims can often overlap and conflict. Often generational identification has a strongly political implication or connotation.
A List of Cultural Generations in the Western World
There have been many conflicting attempts to enumerate the generations of the western world.[5] Here are a few common definitions:
- The Silent Generation is the generation that includes those who were too young to join the service during World War II. Many had fathers who served in World War I. Generally recognized as the children of the Great Depression, this event during their formative years had a profound impact on this generation.
- Generation X is the generation generally defined as those born after the baby boom ended,[9] extending from around 1960 to the late 1970s.[10] They were the first generation with widespread access to television during their formative years. Other names used interchangeably with Generation X are 13th Generation,[8] and Baby Busters.
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All the above because you wrote
"Hello Richard,
Have just finished reading the speech. I like much of what he has to say
But will discuss more tomorrow. I think I was being too polite re "stacy".
When I hear young people talking the way he is, I think what is he
Contributing other than whining and whinging about HIS state of affairs.
Our generation did not grow up considering ourselves to be more important Than our community. This is the big difference between generations.
A percentage of these young people are rootless and spoiled. Everything
Revolves about them. It is my this and my that. Poor little me. The
Drinking, the doing drugs…Wow! What a great unproductive way to have
a good time and how beneficial! Is it smart or stupid?
More tomorrow. J."
http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/
The author of the link Immediate above is a cohort of Stacey (in the cultural sense) and/but one of the twenty or so links i sent you - they communicate back and forth with each other on the web and 20 becomes 200… Yes it does get confusing – all these generations…
But forget about it - click thru the links ( just to see how they write) - and look at their pix
I AM A CAMERA
I’d appreciate it - if you’d take a moment in the context - not of the few words either of us have emailled - but rather in the so much larger context of what we’re talking about aware there are 7 billion of us on this space ship - also i trust you to understand how "not personal" it is - while at the same time (to each of us 7 billion) of course it is personal. While I have (have you noticed) a problem with the para you’ve just wrote
(so angry, hostile or is it disgust) - you were - so the silent generation.
The very opposite of YOU in your earlier email - where you read what Stacey was saying and mapped it to what you son Brian has told you. You said Brian said - not everyone is an Alpha – I’ll add That you don’t have to be the Prince to notice that we’re all in a bit of a pickle. I do mean all of us - it’s not just you and me and the Prince - as easy as it to mock the modern - throw stones at modern media, movies and music, never has there been so much so many – millions billions on the same page wanting SEX with Angelina Jolie. A new global consciousness arising.
There are also handfuls of fanatics that can make all the difference while billions sleep.
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Is that what your para is about
"Our generation did not grow up considering ourselves to be more important than our community. This is the big difference between generations. A percentage of these young people are rootless and spoiled. Everything revolves about them. It is my this and my that. Poor little me."
When I was viewing the Prince’s Speech and looking at his Duchess and the Audience I was time-travelling - the Prince is flying to Paris to get the body. Diana’s brother asking "where were you Chuck" The flag not flying at half mast. Stolen teddie bears, conspiracy theory.
Can the Prince stop the destruction of the rain forest - or the downward slide of the English – fast becoming poor cousins to the Irish and the Scots (GNP). Ireland is booming and Jaguar Motors has been sold to India.
So who are you talking about? Your children. My children. That’s rhetoric or i think it is but you tell me. I expect you’ll say they’re somehow - outside your generalization - but who then are you talking about.
We’re both too young too old to fit easily by age into the silent generation or the boomers - sometimes you talk about the old richard and how like ray is now he (I, me) was then. YES I know that isn’t exactly what you meant but it is near enough.
It was love never "free love". I think it might be fair to say that (with ray) you’ve lived pu to tradition values and you’re not so sure about me.
That’s fair. It’s been 50 years since we touched.
My two wives were Boomers but first they were Donna and Kathleen. Two loves of my life.
You are the 1st love - the one who got away. I’ve written you other times about this FACT. I’ve turned the CBC back on.
It’s 2012 - the world’s endng. It’s time to call MIke. I remember Donna and Kathleen in so much detail. I can still see you naked in the lifeguard cabin in Banff. The walks back to The Banff Springs Hotel. These are Visuals – silent movies – what about you – to you dream in color or black and white – more generally can you dream in all the senses you can remember.
Mike - who I am off to have breakfast wIth - Is 40 – so by the numbers he’s an X. Most of my sailing friends are X’s. Bill’s my age and he is a friend - but he’s not one of my ACTIVE friends - I don’t sail with Bill – no one does - he has a big power boat and cable TV. I talk to him once or twice or three when he passes by taking Duke for a walk, pee and poop.
So I am falling down the generations. I’m not even a Boomer any more. At least I don’t whine about it - but then neither do you – you’re ascending/aging In the other direction – I understand or rather I remember you insisting you were not a boomer and having written this I see the “why” that covers both our cases is the same – it’s who we spend time with the most.
I hope you don’t think I think I am 40. I am 69 soon to be 70. Put me in a nursing home full of old codgers and six months I’d move 3 generations and be older than you – assuming you and ray stay together.
It is so simple I almost missed it. The people doing what i am doing are younger – like Mike - he’s the guy I know in the “here and now” real 3D world who is doing what I want to do. Just do it. “Come out come out, come and play.” Most people my age for a variety of reasons don’t play.
Is there any other way to sail or have breakfast. If you were here it might be different and still fun so don’t read anything negative here. Today I don’t want to do something. If you could be Dixie you’d just know of what I speak without a word being said.
It is just one more example of what WALT WHITMAN says in so many of his poems “You _____ are not the word” and because he is so gifted with words he almost breaks his point while making it (the Blank) so that when he says “leaves of grass” the reader smells green grass as for me “jeannie” is a visual, 18-years old and black and white. I have some color pictures in my head, lots at the pool, or we’re having coffee at the Paris Cafe – those have sound, video, tastes and other people. It’s all good.
About 9:00 PM (last night) I moved to my bed, the forward cabin, a few minutes later she (Dixie) arrived. She either sleeps with me or Mason. It was my turn I guess. Now it is 9:26 AM and she’s gone for the day.
I didn’t just write this letter last night. I had three computers going - there is stuff I had to order for the sail to St. Thomas.
Here is some of what I ordered this evening past.
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Sold To
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Richard Larratt
larratt@mac.com
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Purchase Summary
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Confirmation Number: 395953 Date: 11/19/2009 9:02:29 PM
Item 1
Product ID: 17224
Product Name: Navy Beans 5 pounds
Product Price: $10.63
Quantity: 1
Item 2
Product ID: 10756
Product Name: Sliced Dry Kiwi 1 pound
Product Price: $6.38
Quantity: 1
Item 3
Product ID: 10706
Product Name: Sliced Mango Slices 1 pound
Product Price: $6.38
Quantity: 1
Item 4
Product ID: 41174
Product Name: Molasses Powder 5 pounds
Product Price: $15.32
Quantity: 1
Item 5
Product ID: 17094
Product Name: Black Turtle Beans 5 pounds
Product Price: $10.63
Quantity: 1
Item 6
Product ID: 17144
Product Name: Great Northern Beans 5 pounds
Product Price: $10.63
Quantity: 1
Item 7
Product ID: 40036
Product Name: Yeast Active Dry 1 pound
Product Price: $6.34
Quantity: 1
Item 8
Product ID: 16026
Product Name: Spouting Alfalfa Seeds 1 pound
Product Price: $10.64
Quantity: 1
SubTotal: $76.95
Shipping: $5.00(UPS Ground 48 States)
Packing: $0.00
State Tax: $0.00
Country Tax: $0.00
Grand Total: $81.95
Thank you for your order.
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More about crepes later
Boston baked beans
and spouts - that’s the ticket.
ML - richard
Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago at 5:27 am. 1 comment
Stacey says he is lost but I have found him and so can you.
it is a push down stack
Stacey is so bright – so generation X
“There’s a time disjunction involved here. I was actually stuck in Lost Angeles for a while because I missed my flight out (by a whole fucking day!!!), but I did not go from Joshua Tree to LA so imagine it’s like a Tarentino film where time is nonlinear, folding back and forward on itself. I just got excited because I finally found a punk rock art student girl Lindsay who was willing to risk fucking up her her CVS film developing machine by running spliced/taped film through it in the name of art. I told a half dozen places what I wanted to do and that it has been known to gum up machines because of the taped splice, and they all said they didn’t want to do it. Teenage punker girl Lindsay listened to my reasons and said she would try it and would rescue as much of my negatives as she could if/when it jammed up. Making homemade redscale film involves pulling a roll out in total darkness, cutting it off, flipping it inside-out, and then splicing it back together with scotch tape so the emulsion layers are reversed. I told her to do her best. It jammed up. Punk rocker Lindsay did the cool thing and had to kill a few shots off the negative strip to save the rest, but she sat down with a scissors and unjammed the machine and totally pulled it off. Lindsay is the kind of person you can count on when things get tight, and she actually got really interested in the whole redscale concept. She gets it. She got tipped $10.00 afterwards under the table because you have to pay to work outside the system. The kids are alright.
The black and white shots are Ilford XP-2 chromagenic (black and white that develops like C-41 color print film) film and the red ones are homemade redscale film, everything here was shot through a Lomo LCA because waving a shiny digital camera around on skid row would have caused some friction, and waving my big Nikon motordrive film rig would have been like waving a handful of hundred dollar bills around in front of people who were having conversations with crack demons and drinking Lysol. “
There is genius on the Internet. As above – a friend of my daughter Ashleigh. To see as they see – see see see.
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read these words by Stacey. Close your eyes. See it?
“The Surfliner train runs out of Union Station, on the edge of downtown LA, and I had to make a shuttle bus between Union Station and LAX so I had some unexpected standbye time. The internet said that skid row was within walking distance and, seeing a chance to mix some alcoholic imbibing with photography and adventure, I walked the mile and got into some strange territory. The internets didn’t tell me that skid row was now becoming Little Tijuana Mexico with all it’s streetfood and vendors. Incredible smells saturated the air as sausages and onions sizzled on mobile grills and friendly Mexican faces walked around the incoherant winos sitting on the sidewalk. I know barely enough Espanol to order food, and these people didn’t speak English, but I stuffed myself with the greatest tacos and horchata and huge slices of melon as I stepped over the junkies nodding off in doorways. I was glad I was shooting with a Lomo, it doesn’t really register as a camera in most street people’s perceptions, and if it does it registers as an old clunky cheap toy. Which it is, kind of… *
Posted 4 months, 2 weeks ago at 12:50 pm. 2 comments
